Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/12/1997 03:05 PM Senate HES

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                       JOINT HOUSE/SENATE                                      
        HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                        
                       February 12, 1997                                       
                           3:05 P.M.                                           
                                                                               
  SENATE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                       
                                                                               
 Senator Gary Wilken, Chairman                                                 
 Senator Lyda Green                                                            
 Senator Jerry Ward                                                            
                                                                               
  SENATE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                        
                                                                               
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Senator Johnny Ellis                                                          
                                                                               
  HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                        
                                                                               
  Representataive Con Bunde, Chairman                                          
 Representative Joe Green Vice Chairman                                        
 Representative Brian Porter                                                   
 Representative Tom Brice                                                      
 Representative Allen Kemplen                                                  
 Representative Fred Dyson                                                     
                                                                               
  HOUSE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                         
                                                                               
 Representative Al Vezey                                                       
                                                                               
  OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT                                                        
                                                                               
 Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                    
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
   Alaska Disability Policy Summit Progress Report                             
                                                                               
    WITNESS REGISTER                                                           
                                                                               
 Ms. Nancy Dodge, Chairman                                                     
 Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special Education                      
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Mr. Jerry Kainulainen                                                         
 Assistive Technologies of alaska Advisory Council                             
 Sitka, AK                                                                     
                                                                               
 Ms. Jennifer Reynolds                                                         
 Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special Education                      
 North Pole, AK                                                                
                                                                               
 Ms. Susan Loudon                                                              
 Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special Education                      
 Fairbanks, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Ms. Mary Jo Parks                                                             
 Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special Education                      
 Palmer, AK                                                                    
                                                                               
 Mr. Don Brandon, Chairman                                                     
 Governor's Committee on Employment of People with Disabilities                
 Fairbanks, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Mr. David Levy                                                                
 State Independent Living Council                                              
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
                                                                               
 Ms. Jeri Best                                                                 
 State Independent Living Council                                              
 Soldotna, AK                                                                  
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-12, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILKEN  called the Senate Health, Education and Social              
 Services (HESS) Committee to order at 3:05 p.m. and welcomed                  
 everyone to the joint meeting.                                                
                                                                               
  NANCY DODGE,  Chairman, Governor's Council on Disabilities and               
 Special Education, said that she was chosen to introduce the other            
 four chairmen and the groups they serve.                                      
                                                                               
 She said all five of the groups are established under State and               
 federal statutes with a specific role of advising the legislature             
 and departments about the issues that impact people with                      
 disabilities in their families.                                               
                                                                               
 The other four groups are:  the Governor's Committee on Employment            
 of People with Disabilities with Don Brandon, Chairman; State                 
 Independent Living Council with Joy Anna Geisler, Acting Chairman;            
 the State Rehabilitation Advisory Council with Thor Williams,                 
 Chairman; and Assistive Technologies of Alaska Advisory Council               
 with Kathy Privratsky, Chairman.                                              
                                                                               
 She said yesterday they conducted the first Alaska disability                 
 summit focusing on public policies in the areas of community                  
 inclusion and support, health-care, education, employment, housing,           
 and transportation.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 81                                                                     
                                                                               
  KATHY PRIVRATSKY,  Assistive Technologies of Alaska Advisory                 
 Council, said as long as people with disabilities remain                      
 segregated, non-disabled people do not get to know them and                   
 continue to believe that special training and clinical                        
 certification are needed to support them in their communities.                
                                                                               
 Inclusion helps communities and citizens to realize they have the             
 capacity to be with, befriend, care about, work along-side, and               
 learn with and from people with disabilities.  Inclusion also                 
 enables people with disabilities to be full contributors to their             
 communities.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Physical accessibility and access to transportation may be all that           
 is need for many persons with disabilities to participate in their            
 communities.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Some people with disabilities may need individualized supports such           
 as personal assistance services or on-the-job training and support.           
                                                                               
 Some people with disabilities may need assistive technologies such            
 as teletypewriters (TTYs), voice synthesizers, grab bars or Braille           
 keyboards to be included in their communities.                                
                                                                               
 Some families of people with disabilities may need supports and               
 resources such as respite care or in-home training in order for the           
 family member with a disability to continue living at home.                   
                                                                               
 If community inclusion and supports are in place, State activities            
 around health care, education, employment, housing and                        
 transportation can address and meet the needs of people with                  
 disabilities.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 111                                                                    
                                                                               
  JERRY KAINULAINEN,  Assistive Technologies of Alaska Advisory                
 Council, noted some possible legislative solutions to the                     
 presentation Ms. Privratsky just gave.                                        
                                                                               
 He urged the Legislature to provide funding to ensure State                   
 compliance with the American with Disabilities Act (ADA), to pass             
 a lemon law for assistive technology devices and equipment, enact             
 puppy guide-dog legislation, designate American sign language as a            
 core curriculum requirement for another language under Bachelor of            
 Arts requirements at all University of Alaska campuses, ensure that           
 all gavel-to-gavel broadcasts are close captioned, provide adequate           
 funding for services such as respite, in-home training, infant                
 learning, orientation and mobility for the blind, interpreters for            
 the deaf, and personal assistance services.                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATAIVE BRICE  asked regarding the lemon-law if, for                 
 instance, a wheelchair breaks down that was just purchased, when              
 would Medicaid buy a new chair.   MR. KAINULAINEN  replied that once          
 every five years Medicaid would buy a new wheelchair.  If a piece             
 of equipment is defective and can't be repaired, they would not               
 replace it for five years.                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR GREEN  asked him to clarify the guide-dog legislation.   MR.         
 KAINULAINEN  replied that the Americans with Disabilities Act                 
 provides for non-discrimination for people who have service animals           
 for entrance into restaurant facilities, etc. and there has been              
 some problems with some of the animals in their training,                     
 especially when they are puppies that haven't been certified.                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR GREEN  asked if there are universities and schools that              
 accept sign language as a substitute for a recognized foreign                 
 language requirement.   MR. KAINULAINEN  replied that they  want to           
 require it to be offered, not make it a requirement.                          
                                                                               
 Number 243                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN  asked if his organization noticed any                
 differences about life in the far north for people in wheelchairs,            
 for instance, people who sometimes have to make their way in                  
 streets because sidewalks aren't shoveled.   MS. DODGE  said she              
 thought the Transportation Committee would be addressing that                 
 issue.  She added that you can't get onto sidewalks, into buses,              
 into lift vans, etc.                                                          
                                                                               
  SENATOR WARD  asked where the Americans with Disabilities Act falls          
 short in reference to the Alaskan way-of-life.   MS. DODGE  replied           
 that there are so many areas that we are not in compliance on that            
 it would take a long time.   SENATOR WARD  noted that he has been             
 working with the DOTPF on the ferry system which has new elevators            
 on the smaller vessels and on ports and harbors and Prince of Wales           
 Island.  Even with the lack of regulations, he said, they are doing           
 an excellent job of addressing accessibility.                                 
                                                                               
 Number 319                                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. JENNIFER REYNOLDS , Governor's Council on Disabilities and               
 Special Education, said she is a parent of a child with a                     
 disability.  These are some thoughts she has collected from people            
 from all over the State.  Alaskans with disabilities have                     
 identified the lack of adequate health care and insurance as a                
 major barrier to independent living and employment.                           
                                                                               
 The high cost of health insurance means that some people with                 
 disabilities go without health insurance.                                     
                                                                               
 Some parents have had to relinquish custody of their children to              
 the State to get medical coverage for them until a Medicaid waiver            
 can be obtained.                                                              
                                                                               
 Although many people with disabilities have some private health               
 insurance, few have adequate coverage that they can depend on to              
 meet their needs, given preexisting condition exclusions, minimal             
 benefit packages and benefit caps.                                            
                                                                               
 The common needs of people with disabilities for durable medical              
 equipment, assistive technology and personal assistance services              
 are rarely fully covered.                                                     
                                                                               
 Many Alaskans with disabilities depend on public sector funding for           
 health care; access to adequate and affordable health insurance is            
 a major barrier to employment, since public health insurance is               
 generally only available to people who are not working.                       
                                                                               
 Funding for eyeglasses, hearing aids, acute dental care and                   
 occupational therapy is not available to adults with disabilities             
 who depend on Medicaid for their health care needs.                           
                                                                               
  SUSAN LOUDON,  Governor's Council on Disabilities and special                
 Education, said she has a daughter who has developmental                      
 disabilities.  She introduced some possible legislative solutions             
 to the problems just stated.  The first is to restore Medicaid                
 funding for vision, hearing, acute dental and occupational therapy            
 services for adults.                                                          
                                                                               
 The second is to enact legislation for private insurance coverage             
 that limits preexisting condition exclusions, improves portability            
 and is affordable.                                                            
                                                                               
 The third is to ensure that whatever health care reform is                    
 implemented in Alaska includes the following features: adequate               
 consumer information; quality standards; adequate appeal and                  
 grievance procedures; and consumer governance.                                
                                                                               
 Forth, re-prioritize Medicaid options list to emphasize home and              
 community-based services.                                                     
                                                                               
 Fifth, ensure that savings from the closure of the Harborview                 
 Developmental Center and the downsizing of the Alaska Psychiatric             
 Institute are reinvested in home and community-based services for             
 people with developmental disabilities and/or severe mental                   
 illness.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 385                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE DYSON  asked if she had some model legislation from           
 other states that could help them get started.   MS. LOUDON  said she         
 believed there was and they would be happy to find it for them.               
  REPRESENTATIVE DYSON  said he had just spoken with a person who told         
 him that it took about $2,000 for the State to get him a pair of              
 sweat pants with zippers on the outside with big enough rings so              
 that he could dress himself.  It took seven visits with whomever it           
 was he had to interface with in the State in order to get a pair of           
 pants that cost $150.  He asked if that was a typical problem and             
 if they could easily solve that type of problem.   MS. REYNOLDS               
 replied that as consumers interface with State government more, it            
 is becoming more family friendly.  She said she would like to hear            
 from the man he talked with to see what the policy problems were              
 and added that there are a number of problems similar to that.                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE DYSON  said he understood the administration was              
 revising the purchasing procedures within the State to address                
 issues like this and he wanted feedback from them on it.                      
                                                                               
 Number 413                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE  said he wanted to set the record straight -            
 that the legislature set the budget, it was the administration's              
 choice to take away the eyeglasses and the hearing aids.                      
                                                                               
 Number 428                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR GREEN  asked if the Kennedy/Kassebaum legislation would              
 impact Ms. Loudon's second concern of private insurance coverage              
 limiting preexisting condition exclusion.   MS. LOUDON  said it               
 should.  She added that maybe the administration did this, but                
 people with disabilities have no other resources and are always               
 working towards going forward in their lives.  If their glasses               
 break or they need new ones, it takes hundreds of dollars which               
 they don't have.  She strongly urged that insurance coverage be               
 restored.   MS. REYNOLDS  commented that the Mental Health Trust              
 Authority put up $1.5 million in its budget to bolster the State's            
 part which she thought showed very good faith.                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BRICE  said he sat on the budget subcommittee under           
 the Hickel administration when that happened and they had asked               
 what options would fall off the table if Medicaid was cut.  He                
 wanted to clarify that it was a policy decision that was made by              
 the legislative budget subcommittee in the Hickel Administration              
 for FY95.                                                                     
                                                                               
  MARY JO PARKS,  Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special               
 Education, said she was here to speak on education and had a 25-              
 year old mentally retarded woman with her.  She said she had gone             
 through the education system with enough funding so she was able to           
 lead a full life.  As a child she was able to get infant learning             
 programs to get the kind of stimulation she needed to enhance her             
 skills.  When she entered school at age three she was able to get             
 the physical and speech therapy  and other academic assistance she            
 needed.  As she entered kindergarten, she entered into a school               
 district which gave her a free and appropriate public education.              
 The individual education plans that were written for her and then             
 followed-through with helped lead her into a life knowing how to              
 read and write, how to speak for herself and to interact with other           
 students.  The people who were with her learned also.                         
                                                                               
 The cost incurred from the inclusionary setting she was in was                
 there, because the teachers needed to be trained.  In fact, the               
 entire school system needed to learn about how to deal with her and           
 her disabilities.  Training is a very essential part to make                  
 inclusion work.  Education was the key that changed her life and              
 the life of her family - and society.                                         
                                                                               
 Ms. Parks said she is here today to ask them to support the changes           
 to the education foundation funding formula which would decrease              
 the overidentification of special education students and encourage            
 prevention and early intervention activities in schools.  It will             
 also begin to provide the training needed by educators.                       
                                                                               
 She commented that American sign language is a program they would             
 like to be accepted as equal curriculum standards for other                   
 requirements such as a foreign language or an English program in              
 the Bachelor of Arts degrees.  Learning how to communicate with one           
 another takes many different forms.                                           
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE  asked her to explain "overidentification."             
  MS. PARKS  responded that as we have tied money to students and              
 identification of a disability, there have been places where people           
 have been able to overidentify by taking certain tests and                    
 qualifying.  The Department of Education would like to address that           
 problem perhaps by changing the funding formula and the process by            
 which the department allocates monies for special education.                  
                                                                               
 Number 533                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN  asked if she felt that the amount of money         
 allocated to education is proportionately granted to the teacher              
 and the students themselves or may there be siphons before it gets            
 to them that impair the quality of education.  Because teachers are           
 required to do more things than just teach, should there be a whole           
 different look given to education.  Maybe teachers should educate,            
 but maybe something else needs to be done with all the social                 
 problems that teachers are facing in schools.   MS. PARKS  said she           
 did feel that there is a strong need to have administrators to deal           
 with the regulations and paper work that have to be monitored.                
 Taking money away from students is a mistake; the money has to get            
 to the classroom and meet the needs of every student.  She thought            
 it was important for all agencies to work together as a unified               
 body to enhance students' lives.  She used the COMPASS program as             
 an example.                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BRICE  asked how consistent were special education            
 programs across the State.  He elaborated that the foundation                 
 formula allows for a certain amount of money for children with                
 special needs.  That money is built into the foundation formula and           
 the legislature passes that money to school districts to provide              
 special education programming.  He asked how consistently is that             
 money applied to the various classrooms for special education                 
 across the State, for instance the same for Fairbanks as the                  
 Iditarod school district.   MS. PARKS  said she couldn't answer that,         
 but people from the Department of Education could and she could               
 research it and get back to him on it.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 573                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  said that she represented about 92 small                    
 communities throughout Alaska in which she thought there were                 
 special education needs, but not necessarily the resources to deal            
 with those needs.  A lot of that has to do with the transportation            
 system and as long as people with disabilities remain segregated,             
 non-disabled people do not get to know them and continue to believe           
 that special training is required.                                            
                                                                               
 Seeing more of the services being put into the population centers,            
 moving special education people away from their families,  SENATOR            
 LINCOLN  asked Ms. Parks if she would say it is correct that the              
 resources are generally not there to address individual needs of              
 special education students.                                                   
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-12, SIDE B                                                            
                                                                               
  MS. PARKS  replied that the resources are differently approached.            
 An example is the Special Education Service Agency which serves all           
 of Alaska in the rural bush areas to meet the needs of the more               
 severely disabled, but it's on a once a month or twice a month or             
 to meet the needs of the student.  It is not every day contact like           
 her students get.  So it is definitely different.                             
                                                                               
 One of the things the Governor's Council has looked at is trying to           
 make sure that in the education system through the universities               
 that all teachers learn how to work with kids with disabilities.              
 This really needs to be expanded so that kids have their needs met            
 by the teacher they see daily.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 582                                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. DODGE  commented with the closing of Harborview they are looking         
 at bringing people back into their home communities.                          
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN  noted that we don't fare well compared to          
 other states and the country doesn't fare well when we compare our            
 children's scores against many other countries (the U.S. is 14th in           
 the world).  He said clearly there has been a change over the last            
 couple of decades.  He asked if there is a need to look at                    
 alternate types of skills and is the mainstreaming concept working,           
 in her estimation.  Is there a need to separate those students who            
 are doing well from those who aren't and then concentrate our                 
 efforts on those who are not.   MS. PARKS  replied that she has a             
 very strong bias in favor of public education.  She has looked at             
 our country's system as well as others and we are getting more for            
 our money today than most countries get. What we are looking at, in           
 many ways, is a different society.  We have a society now where a             
 lot of the support at home and the belief in education is so low              
 that kids are not as motivated to get education.  That is a major             
 factor that we are facing.                                                    
                                                                               
 She said that recently they looked at Japan and one of the things             
 that is different at the high school and junior high level is that            
 the students concentrate on small amounts of subjects where our               
 students are dealing with eight subjects a day.  Just that kind of            
 education alone is something that educators are looking at and                
 asking if we are overloading our kids and that's why our test                 
 scores are down.  She said there is room for charter schools, but             
 we don't want to start segregating kids; we want inclusion because            
 everyone benefits from learning together.                                     
                                                                               
  MS. PARKS  emphasized that school size might be an issue to look at.         
                                                                               
 Number 550                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE  said he hears from parents frequently about            
 the difference between mental and physical disabilities.  He asked            
 what he should say to parents that a behavioral problem takes 50 -            
 75% of the teacher's time while the other 20 children have settle             
 for 25% of the teacher's time.   MS. PARKS  replied that if that is           
 happening, the teacher has not had the proper training and the                
 student is not getting the kind of support they need to make the              
 inclusion situation appropriate.  A teacher needs to be trained to            
 say when she needs the help of an aide to get the student moving              
 along in an appropriate situation so that everyone can learn.  The            
 parents need to be talked to and the student has a right to be                
 there and peer examples work.  Helping the whole classroom resolve            
 the issue of one student taking too much time makes a powerful                
 society and classroom.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 533                                                                    
                                                                               
  DON BRANDON,  Chairman, Governor's Committee on Employment of People         
 with Disabilities, said that first of all disability is normal.               
 People who experience them are normal people; it's our approach               
 toward dealing with disability that is abnormal.  We have come a              
 long way in our society, but we still have some major barriers to             
 overcome attitudinally in responding to people with disabilities.             
 He said that 66% of Alaskans with disabilities are unemployed or              
 underemployed.                                                                
                                                                               
 Mr. Brandon said he wanted the committee to remember four things:             
 attitude, access, accommodation, and appropriate health care                  
 coverage.  He thought if they could remember those four words, they           
 could address some employment issues of people with disabilities.             
 He explained that because of our separate attitude, we build                  
 facilities that are not accessible.                                           
 Access to a working environment is denied.  However, accommodation            
 is becoming more a more prominent issue because of the Employment             
 of Americans with Disabilities Act.  88% of the costs for                     
 accommodating a person with a severe disability costs less than               
 $1,000.  Fourthly, when you look at some of the barriers to                   
 employment, you have to look at appropriate health care coverage.             
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Some legislative solutions he proposed are to enact legislation for           
 private insurance coverage that limits preexisting condition                  
 exclusions, improves the transportability and affordability of                
 health care coverage for people who are working; ensure that                  
 adequate health care and long term supports - including personal              
 assistance services and assistive technology - are available to               
 people with disabilities who are employed, seeking employment or              
 changing jobs; provide funding to enforce the Americans with                  
 Disabilities Act (ADA); and establish a guaranteed business loan              
 program to promote entrepreneurship by people with disabilities.              
                                                                               
 Mr. Brandon noted that special consideration was given to the State           
 of Alaska and the arctic wilderness environment when ADA was                  
 passed.  Title 5 of ADA requires a wilderness study looking at                
 parks and recreation facilities.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 488                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN  asked how the degree of disability is              
 determined considering there is such a tremendous spectrum.   MR.             
 BRANDON  said they have based the definition of disability on the             
 functional limitation that a disease or impairment causes on an               
 individual who experiences the disability.                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BRICE  asked how real is the loss of medical coverage         
 to a person with a disability as a barrier to employment.   MR.               
 BRANDON  answered that it is real significant because many times the          
 job the person with a disability is applying for does not come with           
 the health benefit coverages that are necessary to maintain a                 
 person's existence; that is the barrier of finding the right job.             
                                                                               
  SENATOR WARD  asked him to expand on loan opportunities.   MR.               
 BRANDON  said that now there is nothing available, but he envisions           
 a program within State government which has been talked about in              
 the legislature over the last 10 years.  He used the example of an            
 electrician who had his arm blown off and had paralysis in some               
 lower parts of his body.  When he became medically stable and able            
 to go to work, job opportunities would come open and he would go              
 and apply for them, but the jobs would be given to people who were            
 able-bodied.  This went on for two years.  So he sat down in his              
 garage and started thinking about what he could do to survive and             
 he started selling T-shirts out of his own garage.  In the last 15-           
 years he has become the largest producer of specialty advertising             
 in interior Alaska.  He said that many people with disabilities               
 have the ability to produce a business that is successful for them.           
                                                                               
 Number 421                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  asked if he knew what was happening to the            
 bill the legislature passed last year requiring the State to                  
 guarantee the loan programs for assistive technology.   MR. BRANDON           
 replied that that loan program is available now.                              
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BRICE  asked what could the legislature do to make            
 government more consumer friendly.   MR. BRANDON  said he didn't know         
 that it was unfriendly, but Mr. Duane French, Director, Vocational            
 Rehabilitation, could give him the information.                               
                                                                               
 Number 408                                                                    
                                                                               
  DAVID LEVY,  State Independent Living Council, said he would be              
 speaking about housing issues and that people want at least two               
 things in life - a phone call from Ed McMann saying they won the              
 $10 million sweepstakes and the other is access to affordable                 
 housing.  He suggested they look at fully funding the Alaska                  
 Housing Finance Corporation, specifically to include $2.5 million             
 in special needs housing and $750,000 in homeless services.  It has           
 been estimated that 40% of homeless individuals in the State of               
 Alaska experience some form of a disability.                                  
                                                                               
 Secondly, he suggested for them to provide some direction and                 
 support to the AHFC to provide some grant writing and other                   
 technical skills to service providers so they can figure out how to           
 bring more federal dollars into the State to utilize as a match.              
                                                                               
 Thirdly, they should target State housing dollars towards rural               
 communities.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Finally, they should amend AHFC statutes and establish a down-                
 payment program that would allow people with disabilities to own              
 their own homes or remain in their existing homes.                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR WARD  asked if he had taken these requests to the AHFC               
 Board.   MR. LEVY  replied that they have had initial discussions             
 with them and they have expressed some interest and they are                  
 continuing to work with them to make a joint proposal to the                  
 legislature, both administratively and legislatively.                         
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN  said in Scandinavia there is a concept of            
 co-housing where people join forces and pool their abilities to               
 support one another in a home environment and asked if our disabled           
 community had looked at.   MR. LEVY  said he had read some material           
 on this and he would be happy to get more information for them on             
 it and thought it would be very interesting to explore it.                    
                                                                               
 Number 358                                                                    
  JERI BEST , State Independent Living Council, fitting together a             
 piece of her wheelchair, said she wanted to illustrate that until             
 you have been in a wheelchair and gone into a public restroom in an           
 airport or a ferry and had to take your wheelchair apart and then             
 get stuck and rescued - not fully clothed, you haven't really                 
 lived.  She said that people with disabilities have to make                   
 themselves fit into a situation which isn't always the best answer.           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Accessible transportation is one of the keys to community                     
 inclusion.  She said a lot of improvement has been made in the last           
 five years and in the last year substantial improvement has been              
 made in the transportation system.  She said that a lot of agencies           
 have been funded to buy vans, but they only serve their own                   
 clientele and won't stretch the rules.                                        
                                                                               
 She said a minimum of four DOTPF people came to their summit and              
 was another step in the right direction.  She said only a few                 
 Alaskan communities have public transportation and even there it's            
 limited because they have to be within 1/2 mile of the corridor.              
 There are eligibility restrictions and limited hours of service and           
 there are very few companies that provide accessible                          
 transportation.                                                               
                                                                               
 In addition to the elimination of physical barriers, transportation           
 access for people with disabilities includes the removal of                   
 structural, communication and environemtnal barriers.  She                    
 mentioned that there are still a few curbs that need to be moved.             
                                                                               
 Expanded visual access such as signage, electronic message boards             
 and teletypewriter are needed for the hearing impaired so they can            
 contact a lot of the transportation facilities.  They also need               
 auditorial detectable warnings as well as some braille which is an            
 easy accommodation, but they need to be made policies and                     
 priorities.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Ms. Best said some legislative solutions were to provide additional           
 operating and capital funds, including flexible capital for                   
 maintenance and operations, in order to expand public transit in              
 Alaska and to fund more accessible rural transit services and other           
 forms of rural transportation for both the general public and                 
 people with disabilities.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 252                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BRICE  asked if it was easy to access transportation          
 once she arrived in Juneau.   MS. BEST  replied that Juneau is really         
 great because several agencies have gotten together.  Under ADA you           
 can apply for an ADA paratransit card.  This means you can go any             
 place and ride the paratransit system.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 227                                                                    
  REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN    said there is the issue of money and being         
 able to fund transportation for people and said other northern                
 communities create quality living environments for all members of             
 their society and recognize it is a lot more efficient and cost               
 effective if they can concentrate their dollars into smaller areas.           
 He thought it would be a lot easier to maintain an urban                      
 environment in a concentrated area.   MS. BEST  replied that that             
 would not be giving her free choices and America is about free                
 choice.  If she makes the choice to live in south Anchorage she               
 should have the same access as downtown Anchorage.  She, as a                 
 disabled person, should not be forced to live in an environment               
 that is more conducive to her disability.  She said disabled people           
 want to be a part of everyone else's lives.                                   
                                                                               
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    SENATOR   WARD  noted that not all hotels were handicapped accessib        
 He said about four years ago there was a special ordinance for five           
 cabs that were handicapped permitted and asked her if she knew                
 anything about it.   MS. BEST  replied that she had talked with Guy           
 [indisc] who owns Alaska Cab and he has no more handicapped                   
 accessible cabs because they had worn themselves out and he didn't            
 have the funds available to purchase any more.   SENATOR WARD  asked          
 if there were other places that did that.   MS. BEST  said she has            
 some demonstration projects and other information that she would be           
 glad to forward to him.                                                       
                                                                               
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  MS. DODGE  thanked the committee on behalf of everyone for allowing          
 them to speak to the committee today.  She said they would be                 
 answering their questions within the next few weeks and would                 
 forward them a copy of yesterday's summit report.  She said they              
 have a State number which is 269-8990.                                        
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILKEN  said that it had been a great meeting and the               
 Legislature had a plan to balance the budget over the next four               
 years.  He didn't want them to lose confidence in what they can do.           
 He said the government is not going to pass the pain down to their            
 customers, but send it up the ladder.  He asked them to let the               
 legislature know if they felt they were being pinpointed to balance           
 the budget.  He congratulated them on their summit and the way they           
 have presented their ideas.                                                   
                                                                               
 He then adjourned the meeting at 4:40 p.m.                                    
                                                                               

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